BB not refunding credit card fees when it's a donor error.

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Donor makes a huge error in making a $25,000 donation, but meant to do $250. We refunded within minutes, but BB still collects their fee and won't refund the fee of $700!! This has happened a couple of times this year, and BB says we are only allowed 1 refund of this type every year!! What the heck?? We have checked with many other credit card processors and NO OTHER company has this policy. Most allow a 24-48 hr window to correct. Any one else have this problem? This is now costing us $1000+ as it has happened a few times this year. We are all non-profits here and this cuts into our profits in a huge way. Customer service has an “Oh Well” attitude. Not acceptable. I was under the assumption that in OLX the tab that says “delete transaction” took care of this - but it doesn't. It just means that the transaction is not recorded in RE. But BB gets its $$. Wow!!

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  • Hi Sharon,

    I've reached out to my team to let them know about this. They should be in touch soon, I do see a closed case number attached to this, I can dm you the case # for confirmation. Thanks!

  • Austen Brown
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    Hi @Sharon Yokelson - Since this has happening multiple times a year, I recommend that you take a look at the form in question and take steps to prevent this scenario from happening in the future. Through a quick internet search, I was able to locate your org's donation form; I recommend that you select a lower amount for the ‘default amount’ and this should prevent your current issue from occurring.

  • Austen, thanks for you input. However, I'm not sure what or where you saw our “default” amount. We have giving levels and 2 of the 4 issues occurred when a donor selected “$25,000 ” instead of $250. Honest mistake. Our “other donation” minimum amount is $18. Another issue was when a wife made an online donation and the husband had already sent a check through their donor advised fund. Again, these are issues that happen and can happen to any non-profit. The issue is not with our form but rather with the BB policy of not refunding fees with in a very timely manner of minutes. Thanks again for your feedback.

  • Dariel Dixon 2
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    I'm not sure if that solves the problem too much @Austen Brown. It just makes the fee smaller.

    That said, the default donation on this giving page is $25,000. I think this is where Austen is referring, assuming this is your organization. Regardless on what the amount is, this is a problem @Sharon Yokelson. I think it isn't bad customer service per se, but I think if this is the policy, they need to be more upfront for it. If it is a common issue, then there needs to be other mitigating factors to look into, which I think was Austen's point.

  • JoAnn Strommen
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    I so agree with @Austen Brown and @Dariel Dixon's points. I'm sort of surprised it doesn't happen more.

    Do you often get $25,000 gifts online? While most orgs have giving levels in that range and more, I don't know that I've seen that amount listed on an online form. Giving levels do not have to the $ choices on the form.

    I second, third the suggestion to change the default amount to align more with your average online gift amount.

  • With all forms of payment, there is a cost for stopping the transaction. With checks, there's the cost of a “stop payment”, for example. The difference is that credit cards use a percentage, which makes the stakes so much higher with a larger donation. I'm with @Sharon Yokelson that paying $700 for a canceled credit card transaction is a bit over the top!

    What makes this more challenging is that we, as organizations, have no control over reviewing credit card transactions before they process. With a check, at least, if we see something fishy, we can hold the check until we call the donor to confirm. Blackbaud could mitigate this situation by adding “review filters" to BBMS so that the org can set their own review criteria in place to flag large transactions, and approve them, before the transactions are processed.

  • All - I am very confused - you all are talking about our “default” giving amount - but it's not a default - the donor can easily choose what level to give - when the page is opened - yes - the $25,000 amount is highlighted - but that changes as you progress through the giving levels. Again - the dispute is not our form as there are other situations that cause us to need to refund a charge. We have researched other credit card processors for other applications and NO OTHER company that processes credit cards has this practice, all have a grace period. Am I BB bashing - yes I am. Now what!!

  • JoAnn Strommen
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    I understand you are extremely frustrated with BB and the fee. I would be as well.

    The fact that $25,000.00 is highlighted and that if a donor does not choose another option it is automatically used is considered a default. “Default” does not mean that another option can not be selected, only that it will be used if nothing else is selected.

  • Dariel Dixon 2
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    @Sharon Yokelson I don't think anyone cares about you bashing BB for their practice. I think we all agree it's a messed up policy, but it's the policy nonetheless. The problem with BBMS is that there is no way to void a transaction; the only option is to refund it, which basically reverses the action. That's a shortcoming. That said, I understand that your frustration and you definitely need to contact your account manager. There has to be something that can be done, even if it is something that you add to your contract extension.

  • Thanks - BB has been contacted and a Case is still open and pending. But they don't care. Our contract is up with BB in a year and we are already looking at our options. Any one use or have an opinion about Veracross?

  • @Sharon Yokelson, I understand your frustration in looking around at other software vendors. Despite its frustrations, Blackbaud is still the best database software I've personally seen for mid-sized nonprofits who rely on both personal cultivation and direct mail. (Smaller nonprofits under 10K records, and larger nonprofits above 100K records may get better bang for their buck elsewhere.) I am admittedly unfamiliar with Veracross.

    If switching databases is a bigger bite than you want to take on, or if you don't find a platform quite as desirable, you still have a couple of options. I've been thinking about your donation forms: the one Dariel hyperlinked is clearly a Society membership form with major gift size levels … consider making this a separate form from your usual donation page, and then your Society form might accept gifts as “pledges” rather than as outright cash gifts. Donors would still enter payment info, but as a pledge, it will create a few days' delay in gift processing that could allow time for a donor to correct a mistake.

    Also, if the non-reimbursement policy is too hard to swallow but you like RE otherwise, you can keep the core of RE but shrug off the Payment Services portion of your subscription (BBMS, OLX, etc.). I know there are other users who marry a third-party payment processor with their Raiser's Edge database, and that could be one reason why.

    Final thought: is Blackbaud the one charging the fees, or is it possible for the card originator itself (VIsa, etc.) to issue a fee reimbursement?

    Either way, best of luck in finding a reasonable accommodation. We all feel for you!

  • Elizabeth Johnson
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    I don't know with the change to the new BBMS if they still manage suspect transactions the same way. If they do - someone should have to approve a gift that is over $10,000 within BBMS before it is charged. May be worth asking about on your call if this is still happening. It might also be worth asking to see if someone on your staff did approve it. In addition to @Austen Brown's suggestion of changing your default giving amount - does anyone give to your org at the level legitimately by credit card? If not, perhaps changing the values in addition to changing the default may help. We have been working with our donors that give at that level by credit card to show them what the fees are (having the option to pay the fees has helped-thanks to SmartTHING) I know whenever we get hit with the legitimate fees in the $700-1000 range, I can't help but think of how many loyal donors giving what they can it takes to cover these costs. Many want to see their money work harder for your organization. Delicate conversations for sure. Best of luck @Sharon Yokelson.

  • @Elizabeth Johnson, thank you so much, this is the most helpful information so far. It's interesting that BB when asked about the ability to add fees to the donation has never suggested this solution. Also interesting - the “approve a gift over $10,000” does not stop the transactions - it just holds it until we approve. We tried this and still had the fees and had to create a refund to the donor. Elizabeth, I have several more questions for you on the SmartThing. Can we connect directly? Thank you again.

  • JoAnn Strommen
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    Regarding @Elizabeth Johnson's point about approving charges over $10K. We had to approve the first such charge. Recently had a second charge at that level. It just registered with BBMS as ‘suspect transaction’ but was processed without our input/approval.

    As I read their info, charges will be marked as suspect but only those over $50K need approval. Might be worth asking if they can set specific limit requiring approval per account.

  • Elizabeth Johnson
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    @JoAnn Strommen Very interesting. I will be watching this closely and it seems like it has changed from what I remember.

  • Elizabeth Johnson
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    @Sharon Yokelson - absolutely - I'll DM you.

  • Credit Card Fees are charged by the credit card company. Lately some local restaurants are adding 3% of your bill to the total if you pay by credit card. They are passing on to the customer the fees they would be paying the credit card company to process the transaction.

  • Thanks = but not the issue here.

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