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Is there a way to generate through S-TAGS an automatic path hierarchy of how a user got to where they are, that would be hyperlinked? For example:

General Example:

Home page → Section page → Subsection page

Specific Examples:

Homepage → About Us → Financial Information

Homepage → Research → Grant Awards → 2007 → Investigations into the role of Vitamin-D in cancer prevention

Homepage → E.Newsletter → Archives → 2008 → March → Article Title

As you can see, this bulletin board even uses this feature, as I writing this from:

Convio Community > > PageBuilder and StoryBuilder >

Convio also uses this feature on their site, I just don't know if it was hard-coded or S-TAG-generated. Example:

www.convio.com > Resources > Newsletter Articles > July/Aug 2008

I would like to do this in our next site evolution, but due to the fact that we use so many StoryBuilder pages, I would want this to be a generated path. Obviously, hard-coding this is out of the question, as some content may be reached from several different paths.

For hierarchy-based content (usually PageBuilder documents that adhere to the sitemap), this could be hard coded.

But, for StoryBuilder content, which may be reachable from several different paths, it would be cool have it self-generate.

Has anyone here come up with an elegant solution to this issue?

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  • Hiya,

    You might take a look at Jakob Nielsen's article about breadcrumbs - you can find it here: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/breadcrumbs.html

    It discusses the difference between using breadcrumbs for hierarchy vs history - looks like it might be applicable to your question, though it doesn't directly address it.

  • ajones :

    Hiya,

    You might take a look at Jakob Nielsen's article about breadcrumbs - you can find it here: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/breadcrumbs.html

    It discusses the difference between using breadcrumbs for hierarchy vs history - looks like it might be applicable to your question, though it doesn't directly address it.

    I had read it already after seeing the link off of Wikipedia. It's a good article.

    I already know the difference, though, which is precisely what I'm trying to address.

    I don't mind hard-coding bread crumbs for hierarchical content. I do, however, want a History based path to get generated for those types of content that are reachable from more than on area of the site.

  • There's nothing in Convio that automatically creates this from your history. We do keep track of your history within the application mostly for diagnostic purposes if an error occurs, and there are S tags that let you get at the URL of the current page and the title of the current page as well as ways for you to stuff that data into the session and retrieve it later, but I don't think that using any of those would give you the desired results. If you rely on what we maintain in the server, it's not going to track multiple windows or back button usage the same way as the client. For example, if you followed the flow page a, page b, back button page c, you would probably expect your bread crumb to show a->c which is what you navigated whereas on the server, it looks like a->b->c.

    I can give you more details about which tags to use to keep track of the server-side history, but I think you will actually get more of what you want using javascript and maintaining it in the client. I'm sure that there are a bazillion examples of how to do that floating around.

    Dave

  • DavidHart :

    There's nothing in Convio that automatically creates this from your history. We do keep track of your history within the application mostly for diagnostic purposes if an error occurs, and there are S tags that let you get at the URL of the current page and the title of the current page as well as ways for you to stuff that data into the session and retrieve it later, but I don't think that using any of those would give you the desired results. If you rely on what we maintain in the server, it's not going to track multiple windows or back button usage the same way as the client. For example, if you followed the flow page a, page b, back button page c, you would probably expect your bread crumb to show a->c which is what you navigated whereas on the server, it looks like a->b->c.

    I can give you more details about which tags to use to keep track of the server-side history, but I think you will actually get more of what you want using javascript and maintaining it in the client. I'm sure that there are a bazillion examples of how to do that floating around.

    Dave

    Thank you. I was thinking of doing it client side, but with S-TAGS for URL rendering purposes. Given that there are probably a bazillion examples around, like you said, I was wondering what solution, if any, has a Convio client come up with?

  • c.stauffer :

    Thank you. I was thinking of doing it client side, but with S-TAGS for URL rendering purposes. Given that there are probably a bazillion examples around, like you said, I was wondering what solution, if any, has a Convio client come up with?

    Well, I've revised my thoughts, and I think I'm going to make this hierarchical.

    Which S-TAGS should I use for this?

  • c.stauffer :

    Well, I've revised my thoughts, and I think I'm going to make this hierarchical.

    Which S-TAGS should I use for this?

    I would also like to know how to acheive the same effect of the breadcrumb trail. I have the ] tag but that just gives me the title of the current page I would like to show the user where they came from.

  • Matthew Andrade:

    I would also like to know how to acheive the same effect of the breadcrumb trail. I have the ] tag but that just gives me the title of the current page I would like to show the user where they came from.

    I suppose you could use a combination of JavaScript, some Convio conditionals and either U0 or U1 Tags. I don't know what the ramifications would be if you ended up with a long history (U0 and U1 set server session variables which like in any other server-side environment yeilds hits to performace and overhead). I also know U tags aren't documented for a reason.... Still, I think there is probably a way such a mechanism could be put in place, but for performance reasons I doubt it's one Convio would be confortable with being put in place as a hack rather than an engineered solution.

  • Michael :

    I suppose you could use a combination of JavaScript, some Convio conditionals and either U0 or U1 Tags. I don't know what the ramifications would be if you ended up with a long history (U0 and U1 set server session variables which like in any other server-side environment yeilds hits to performace and overhead). I also know U tags aren't documented for a reason.... Still, I think there is probably a way such a mechanism could be put in place, but for performance reasons I doubt it's one Convio would be confortable with being put in place as a hack rather than an engineered solution.

    Thanks Michael,

    I have went ahead and am currently using the ] tag along with ] tags. within some conditionals i'm getting what I need out of Convio. It would be nice to have these tags documented with examples of how to use them. I think that would really help those who know nothing about the mysterious tags.

  • Matthew Andrade:

    Thanks Michael,

    I have went ahead and am currently using the ] tag along with ] tags. within some conditionals i'm getting what I need out of Convio. It would be nice to have these tags documented with examples of how to use them. I think that would really help those who know nothing about the mysterious tags.

    Oh, I agree on the need for documentation, but because T and U tags are pretty low-level functions in Convio... misuse of them can cause serious problems. As such, Convio generally tries to limit their exposure to the wild.

  • Michael :

    Oh, I agree on the need for documentation, but because T and U tags are pretty low-level functions in Convio... misuse of them can cause serious problems. As such, Convio generally tries to limit their exposure to the wild.

    Well guys,

    I have actually implemented our cookie or breadcrumbs this way. Here is the site where we have it working just fine. so then you navigate to an inner page you will see the breadcrumb. This is a redesign that we have just launched and please feel free to give us feed back, just a heads up we still need to build out some elements for various pages so we're not at 100%. If you would like to see the code please feel free to contact me. Thanks!

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