Individual Relationship Addressee/salutation clean up - 20k+ records!!

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Hi all, 

I'm looking for some advice on updating/cleaning up additional addressee/salutation fields on individual relationship records. I am doing great in the general clean up, but now we're into the hard stuff. I have 20k + relationship records that have at least 6 additional add/sal fields,most of which are editable. From what I can see, there is no good way to globally update or even use the import function to change this directly;I don't see that those specific add/sal fields are listed in the fields that can be changed through those tools.  My thought is that i may have to actually replace the relationship records, as in, add the relationships again without the additional fields, and then delete all of the original relationship records. This feels scary/risky to me, but I don't see any other way to do it except go into every single one of those records and change in manually, which will take the rest of my life plus some of the next one!


Any thoughts on that idea, or other ideas? I'm SOO close to having the add/sal table and config under control, but it's these relationship records that are just out of my reach!

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  • JoAnn Strommen
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    Feel your pain.  Edit box can be a friend but not very often.


    If you add new relationships, you're going to have to/should look at existing add/sal to match in case something specific was requested. If I had to do it, I'd probably export all the needed add/sal info and look at importing it back in. 


    That said, how do you use the add/sal on relationships?  I also was greatly concerned about it and set my procedures only to find that for individuals, we never used the fields at previous org. Six months in here and haven't used here either. Does your org send communication pieces addressed to the relationship person?  I found the only ones I really needed to be concerned about were business contacts as we did use those.  Just a thought.

     
  • Dariel Dixon 2
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    While it is difficult to import addressee data, you can import addressee format changes.  I recently had to import these, which is more troublesome than necessary.  You'll have to print out your addressee config table code list (or something like this, I forgot what it's called).  Each addressee in your list has an addressee code number assigned to it, and to only place to find that number is in this list.  The numbers are in a confusing order (assuming there was an order to them at all...mine were all over the place), however the codes should print out in the order of the addressee/salutation table.  From there, the addressees can be updated to the corresponding code number. 


    For instance, you can import in an addressee number of 18 which may be [Title 1] and [Spouse Title 1] [First Name] [Middle Initial] [Last Name].


    I didn't even have any idea that this code table report existed, but it was kinda silly that the report was the only place those code numbers could be found.  
  • JoAnn Strommen:


    That said, how do you use the add/sal on relationships?  I also was greatly concerned about it and set my procedures only to find that for individuals, we never used the fields at previous org. Six months in here and haven't used here either. Does your org send communication pieces addressed to the relationship person?  I found the only ones I really needed to be concerned about were business contacts as we did use those.  Just a thought.

     

    That's a great point, and from what I can tell there is no specific rhyme or reason to the individual relationship addressees or salutations, even the primary. There are a few standards I will put in place for the the primary add and sal on relationship records once I've removed all of the extraneous add and sal fields, ex: when the constituent spouse is deceased I'd like to set a primary add and sal for the relationship record spouse with just the relationship records title and name, as the living spouse would become the recipient of any mailers.

  • Dariel Dixon:

    While it is difficult to import addressee data, you can import addressee format changes.  I recently had to import these, which is more troublesome than necessary.  You'll have to print out your addressee config table code list (or something like this, I forgot what it's called).  Each addressee in your list has an addressee code number assigned to it, and to only place to find that number is in this list.  The numbers are in a confusing order (assuming there was an order to them at all...mine were all over the place), however the codes should print out in the order of the addressee/salutation table.  From there, the addressees can be updated to the corresponding code number. 


    For instance, you can import in an addressee number of 18 which may be [Title 1] and [Spouse Title 1] [First Name] [Middle Initial] [Last Name].


    I didn't even have any idea that this code table report existed, but it was kinda silly that the report was the only place those code numbers could be found.  

    I found all of the above to be true! If you know of a way to update additional addressee and salutations fields for relationship records, let me know because I was able to do so for constituents but not relationships. I must be missing something?

  • JoAnn Strommen:


    That said, how do you use the add/sal on relationships?  I also was greatly concerned about it and set my procedures only to find that for individuals, we never used the fields at previous org. Six months in here and haven't used here either. Does your org send communication pieces addressed to the relationship person?  I found the only ones I really needed to be concerned about were business contacts as we did use those.  Just a thought.

     

    I have found over the years that putting a few basic Add/Sal Types on a relationship record helps out a bit if we ever convert them to constituents in the future. I also try to link non-constituent records together as much as possible, so a donor's sister might be the next contact for an organization. Setting the add/sals to a default set when creating the relationship saves some steps later.


    But it sounds like Laura is of your mind and partly just wanted to delete the extra add/sal types, but wasn't sure how. Other folks at her org may have found the extra types useful for some reason or another, perhaps they used relationships for teams for events or something, and the add/sal formats were used because they didn't have the event module for nametags.

  • JoAnn Strommen
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    I couldn't agree more that it's best to put all data on a record when creating it.  I did have a default set for individual relationships.  Just not as many as records.


    At previous org, where I found I was missing add/sal was for most all of the business contacts. Several lists were imported without the info and at that point it couldn't be done by global add. Don't know if it can now. 
  • Wonderfully detailed response, Kerri! It both confirmed a few things I've already done as well as gave some direction on what I'd like to do next. Thank you so much! I'm copying this into my procedures document. 


    JoAnn I will definitely be mindful of business contacts as I move forward. I'd  want those records to have at least a primary addressee and salutation chosen. 


     
  • I'm glad you found it useful! I was working with 100,000 individual constituents and up to 7 additional add/sal types, so I made the decision not to bother with individual relationships unless they were contacts, spouses, or a VIP's VIP. We were converting the default from "Mr. William H. Smith, Jr." to just "William H. Smith, Jr." and there were so many "editable" on women that I had to hunt down to find out why. It turns out that the default RE add/sal formats for couples with different last names could use some tweaks, especially if you want to use nicknames/preferred names for both.


    I can't say how frustrating it was when Citrix updated in the middle of the project and I could no longer use shift+F2 to load the default sets!!! There was a group of several hundred that I was reviewing one-by-one because they had too many editables and odd matching and I was using a small laptop, and instead of a Global Change to add the defaults, I was using default sets. On the other hand, this did lead to getting more efficient with the excel sheets on my tiny screen.
  • Dariel Dixon:

    Each addressee in your list has an addressee code number assigned to it, and to only place to find that number is in this list.  The numbers are in a confusing order (assuming there was an order to them at all...mine were all over the place)

    They seem to be numbered according to the order in which they were created - ours are all over the place too but the ones that survive from when we first moved to RE have lower numbers than ones I've created more recently.

  • Keri,


    Have you found a way to delete Additional Address/Salutations from Individual Relationships? I found where I can Add or Replace but not Delete. At my organization, someone added a Publication name to the Individual on an Organization instead of using the Org Name or an Alias for this purpose.


    Thanks,

    Toni

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