Giving Strings for Annual Ask

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Where do you house giving strings in Raiser's Edge? If an appeal letter lists an ask amount of $500 and the giving string on the tear off is $500-$750-$1,000 where should this be imported? Last year we was the first year we included giving/gift strings or ask ranges in our annual solicitiation piece. Our annual team would like to do this again and asked that I pull last years strings into the analytical data for this years Appeal mailing list. I intentionally didn't import 2016 giving strings into the database because we weren't sure this would become part of a consistant process.


Should this be an attribute called Giving Strings and the description could be a dropdown that denotes the calendary year? String could live in comments? Or would you recommend creating an appeal each calendar year and add the string to the comments?

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  • We determine the ask array based on last gift information and, I believe, frequency information. Donors are grouped with other donors who have similar last gift/frequency information, and all of them get the same ask array. This ask array is recorded as an appeal package and is recorded both in the appeal tab on the donor's record and on the gift if/when it actually comes in. The package info is a code though, and looks like "A2" or "C7" or something like that. You have to know what you're looking at in order to know what their ask array was, but you can look that info up in the documentation our mail vendor provides with the rest of the appeal info.
  • Hi Diane-


    I'm trying to think of why you would want to store this data in the Raiser's Edge and the only two reasons I can think of are that you either want to print these values out on a reply piece and you plan to use Export to do it or your putting the data into the Raiser's Edge simply so you can go back historically and see what ask amounts were on the Appeal letter. If it's the former, I would put those values in the Appeal itself since that's what it relates to. The only place that makes sense to me would be on the Notes section of the General Tab or the Attributes tab. If you put it in the Notes section there's no easy way to Export it in a format that looks nice on the reply piece, so I would use Appeal Attributes. You could create the Attribute names as such: Ask Amount 1, Ask Amount 2, Ask Amount 3, and that would allow you to export each value into a Word document which you'll print and email to prospects.


    As you implied if you reuse appeals each year you'll have to update the ask amounts which means you'll lose the history which may or may not be important to you. If you currently reuse appeals I don't know that I would change that structure just to accommodate ask strings. Where I work we create new appeals every year and use the last two digits of the fiscal year as the first two digits of our Appeal Id. It gives us something else beyond gift dates to make sure we're reporting correctly.



    I just realized you're asking about storing strings that each constituent received so scrap my idea about storing it in the Appeal.


     
  • Ryan Hyde:

    We determine the ask array based on last gift information and, I believe, frequency information. Donors are grouped with other donors who have similar last gift/frequency information, and all of them get the same ask array. This ask array is recorded as an appeal package and is recorded both in the appeal tab on the donor's record and on the gift if/when it actually comes in. The package info is a code though, and looks like "A2" or "C7" or something like that. You have to know what you're looking at in order to know what their ask array was, but you can look that info up in the documentation our mail vendor provides with the rest of the appeal info.

    This seems similar to the Segmentation Scores we create. Would you be able to share the Last Gift/Frequency structure or formula that you use?

     
  • Aaron Rothberg:
    Hi Diane-


    I'm trying to think of why you would want to store this data in the Raiser's Edge and the only two reasons I can think of are that you either want to print these values out on a reply piece and you plan to use Export to do it or your putting the data into the Raiser's Edge simply so you can go back historically and see what ask amounts were on the Appeal letter. If it's the former, I would put those values in the Appeal itself since that's what it relates to. The only place that makes sense to me would be on the Notes section of the General Tab or the Attributes tab. If you put it in the Notes section there's no easy way to Export it in a format that looks nice on the reply piece, so I would use Appeal Attributes. You could create the Attribute names as such: Ask Amount 1, Ask Amount 2, Ask Amount 3, and that would allow you to export each value into a Word document which you'll print and email to prospects.


    As you implied if you reuse appeals each year you'll have to update the ask amounts which means you'll lose the history which may or may not be important to you. If you currently reuse appeals I don't know that I would change that structure just to accommodate ask strings. Where I work we create new appeals every year and use the last two digits of the fiscal year as the first two digits of our Appeal Id. It gives us something else beyond gift dates to make sure we're reporting correctly.



    I just realized you're asking about storing strings that each constituent received so scrap my idea about storing it in the Appeal.


     

    That's funny:) Yes, that's what I was referring to but you articulated it much better than I did. I should have had you proof my initial question ahead of time! Aaron, would you store as an attribute? Drop down being the calendar year and string in the comments field?

     
  • I don't have that info at my fingertips, but I asked our direct mail manager, so I'll let you know when I know.
  • It you were to store it in a Constituent Attribute with the year and string, that would certainly work, but it assumes that each constituent only receives one appeal per year. If that's the case, Year and Ask Amounts should be fine. Same holds true though that you'll have to overwrite that value each year and lose the history which may be okay.
  • Thanks!

     

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  • I used to store that information in the comment tab of the appeal on the donor record


    Then for analysis I would export that data along with what they gave to see if the gift strings were on target
  • We did something similar to the whole appeal/package idea, in that we grouped people into sets of asks. Everyone who got the general ask with, say, $50, $100, $250, $500 as the options got the letter associated with the Package called "General Ask", and another group we were trying to push to the President's Circle started with $1,000 and got the "Pres Circle Ask" Package, and so on. We had about 7 or 8 Packages, as I recall. That's useful information, I'm sure, but we actually save the Excel spreadsheets from each mailing where the ED decided who got what ask, so it's probably easier to retrieve from there. It allowed for much greater personalization since the ask levels were then merged into the letter (we printed them in house). I've actually kept a tally by hand of how many people responded at low ask, target ask, high ask, or any area in between. That is across all levels of ask. We've had pretty good success with the bolded target ask, always higher than the highest gift. 


    We did talk about entering truly personalized ask levels on each record but decided it wasn't worth the effort. Next year's ask is all about what they've given recently, not what we asked for last year. I think the grouping into packages makes the most sense for all but a handful of very specific asks - which probably won't be part of a mass mailing anyway. If you know everyone in Package A got a particular string of amount options, you can easily run a report on what they actually gave. But then we get into the whole hard copy appeal/online response problem, discussed at length elsewhere!
  • So, we took this to the next level this year and I just imported in our appeal going out soon.  It was sliced and diced by our Annual Giving Director to assign ask strings or ask amounts, packages by constituent codes and the person signing the letter.  Our list was just under 10,000.  It's the final year of our $80 million campaign, so we decided it was well worth the time and effort.


    We stored all that information on the appeal tab.  We used Marketing Source Code to enter the letter signer, marketing segment to list either an ask amount or the letter that will correspond to the ask string.   I didn't check to see if we are limited in the characters imported in, but I would think I could have converted the letter to the actual ask string or amount and imported that into the Marketing Segment so people don't have to keep looking it up.  Then we used the Appeal and Appeal Date.  The package refers to their constituent code and donor vs non-donor.  This is just a number, but we have the list in a GDoc.  The description will also have the details.


    I'm not sure how the reporting / analyzing will come out with the fields we are now utilizing, but I'm hoping that between query and pivot reports, it will do the trick.  I have not been impressed with the canned reports.  Prove me wrong, please (if you know a great canned report for analyizing appeal/packages/segments)!
  • Thank you so much for your response! This is
    really good information

     

    Diane
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  • FYI on character limits for fields on the Constituent Record Appeals Tab:
    • Comment = 50
    • Marketing Source Code = 50
    • Finder Number = 19
    • Mailing ID = 10
    • Marketing Segment = 255
     

     
  • Diane Zempel:

    Where do you house giving strings in Raiser's Edge? If an appeal letter lists an ask amount of $500 and the giving string on the tear off is $500-$750-$1,000 where should this be imported? Last year we was the first year we included giving/gift strings or ask ranges in our annual solicitiation piece. Our annual team would like to do this again and asked that I pull last years strings into the analytical data for this years Appeal mailing list. I intentionally didn't import 2016 giving strings into the database because we weren't sure this would become part of a consistant process.


    Should this be an attribute called Giving Strings and the description could be a dropdown that denotes the calendary year? String could live in comments? Or would you recommend creating an appeal each calendar year and add the string to the comments?

    I keep them as Const Attributes.
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  • That’s great info. ThanksQ

     

    Diane
    Zempel

    Regional
    Coordinator – Operations

     

     

    ThedaCare
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    54911

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    920-738-6270

     

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