Data Health Center - your experience?

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We have not used the Data Health Center in 9 years and I have inquired as to the various services (AddressFinder, etc) and costs involved.

Can anyone share their experiences and if you think it's worth it? We are concerned about the accuracy of the NCOA updates since we currently get updates from our mail house and a lot of the time the addresses NCOA provides are wrong as well....

We're looking into AddressFinder and EmailFinder and the Blackbaud rep also told me they have a module called PeopleFinder which can deep search people who have fallen off our radar.


Any feedback, pro or con, would be appreciated!


 

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  • EmailFinder is okay for getting an updated email address for people who have already opted in to your mailings, but is otherwise pretty useless and possibly dangerous (search the forums for my previous comments).


    AddressFinder, to the best of my knowledge, uses the same NCOA data from USPS that your mail house would use, so there's little chance you'd get better data, but it (normally) is much easier to use than external lists because it interfaces really well with RE.  I say "normally" because right now the system is undergoing some extensive maintenance (that has been going on for months and still isn't completed) and you have to jump through a series of hoops to manually upload, download, and apply the changes.  If you want to use the service I'd advise either waiting until the new servers are functioning or using the down period as a bargaining chip to get a reduced price.
  • I've said it before and I'll say it again - NCOA updates are worse than useless!  Before I started my predecessor did an NCOA update to the whole system, which added an extra address line identical to one in the system (i.e., junk) and in many cases "updated" the address to a "new" one.  When the year-end appeal went out - right when my predecessor left - it went to all these NCOA updated addresses, anad more than 660 were returned as bad addresses.  I had my long-suffering work-study check - every single one had been confirmed as correct by the NCOA. NEVER AGAIN!!! Even Wealth Engine didn't have up-to-date addresses.  Granted, our database is relatively small, but in more recent mailings, we've had only one or two returns, usually with a "time expired, here's the new address" label on them. When mailhouses send an NCOA list to me, I go over it and fix typos and zip+4 and things like that, but I rarely let them actually send to something other than my list - and the letters don't come back, so I'm good.  


    I can't speak to the Data Health Center, but I wouldn't touch NCOA with a 10 foot pole!
  • We've been using Address Finder (4+ times/year) for many years and have not had any of the issues Gracie describes. In fact, it is pretty invaluable to send a mailing and have it reach the intended destination instead of relying on the USPS forwarding info and resending.


    Of all the services we use, Address Accelerator is by far the best and yes it has some limitations but to get consistency with every USA address has eliminated a lot of time spent checking addresses, making sure ZIPs and states match up. We just started Phone and E-Mail Finder this year and would agree that we are a little concerned about the number of e-mail addresses returned. We nearly doubled our e-mail addresses from 13,000 to over 23,000. We are being cautious with our Mail Chimp subscription so we aren't risking any massive unsubscribes.


    For the last 2-3 years, Deceased Finder has been used but I'm not overly sold on it. Essentially, you have to verify if the individuals with a deceased attribute are actually deceased.


    Hope that helps.
  • John Heizer:

    EmailFinder is okay for getting an updated email address for people who have already opted in to your mailings, but is otherwise pretty useless and possibly dangerous (search the forums for my previous comments).


    AddressFinder, to the best of my knowledge, uses the same NCOA data from USPS that your mail house would use, so there's little chance you'd get better data, but it (normally) is much easier to use than external lists because it interfaces really well with RE.  I say "normally" because right now the system is undergoing some extensive maintenance (that has been going on for months and still isn't completed) and you have to jump through a series of hoops to manually upload, download, and apply the changes.  If you want to use the service I'd advise either waiting until the new servers are functioning or using the down period as a bargaining chip to get a reduced price.

    The BB rep said that their NCOA searches go back 48 months, versus 18 months for a typical mail house.  


    Can you clarify, John, are you referring to Blackbaud's servers being overhauled?  Currently they are offering a price break good until June 30 but that is good to know if we can negotiate a little more.  

  • I love using Address Finder and Address Accelerator.  I will say that using them, especially the first time can lead you to many duplicate addresses in your system.  You can clean them up using an Export/Import system, but it will take some time (depending on how many records you have overall).


    I have never had the NCOA issues that others have described.  I don't know all the specifics of their data or situation, so I don't want to speak to that, but I believe that I have maintained more addresses by using the process than not.


    Also - I used to work at a Post Office extension center and just because you're not getting your bulk mail returned doesn't mean that it is reaching it's intended destination.  If you don't send bulk/non-profit mail with a Return Requested or Address Service Requested, they don't HAVE to send it back to you and all of the bad addresses are just going in the trash/recycling (not first class!!).  Policy may have changed since then, but I think it is very likely the same.
  • Normally you can submit a file to BB through the Data Health Center and when the scrub is complete you can download the file via the Data Health Center.  Since at least March they have been working on this aspect of the software.  Thus, you can go into the Data Health Center to create the export file for BB, but then you have to save it to your computer and upload it to the BB FTP site.  When the scrubbed file is ready, BB will upload it to the FTP site so you can download it.  You will need to manually upload it into the Data Health Center and go from there.  I feel like the results we received were far superior to another service we used.  When used consistently I think it keeps your addresses pretty clean.  By the way, I always review the resources in Knowledgebase before exporting/importing AddressFinder files (step by step tutorials and suggestions on "cleaning up" the datafile before you submit it) just so I don't miss a step.  Hope this helps!
  • We have had good experiences with data cleansing services. That said, if you have any experience with Importing, then oftentimes BB is overpriced. As I have stated in previous posts, we paid only $250 for a phone append through our name rental house, and a similarly low price for a deceased records finder and age append, when BB had quoted several hundred dollars higher. BB does offer some services that are hard to get through a mail house though, and we did go with BB's Data Health Center for EmailFinder and PeopleFinder services.


    There will always be some inaccuracies in the data. The Age Append was usually correct for the birthyear and birthmonth, but was usually wrong on the actual day of the month. So, we only selectively imported the month/year without the day, and added an Attribute to mark which records had been appended so we would know there was a margin for error.


    The NCOA and PeopleFinder services were terriffic in that we located hundreds of "lost" Alumni and other donors. However, NCOA has occasionally given us a wrong address, so with the wisdom of hindsight, I'd recommend NOT running NCOA on any records where the donor has already been in communication with you in the past year and has a strong relationship with your org. If the donor has been corresponding to you recently, more likely than not, your data entry people should have noticed a changed address on the return envelope, check, or online registration, so you probably already have the most current address on files in your system.
  • Madeleine Holdsworth:

     

    John Heizer:

    EmailFinder is okay for getting an updated email address for people who have already opted in to your mailings, but is otherwise pretty useless and possibly dangerous (search the forums for my previous comments).


    AddressFinder, to the best of my knowledge, uses the same NCOA data from USPS that your mail house would use, so there's little chance you'd get better data, but it (normally) is much easier to use than external lists because it interfaces really well with RE.  I say "normally" because right now the system is undergoing some extensive maintenance (that has been going on for months and still isn't completed) and you have to jump through a series of hoops to manually upload, download, and apply the changes.  If you want to use the service I'd advise either waiting until the new servers are functioning or using the down period as a bargaining chip to get a reduced price.

    The BB rep said that their NCOA searches go back 48 months, versus 18 months for a typical mail house.  


    Can you clarify, John, are you referring to Blackbaud's servers being overhauled?  Currently they are offering a price break good until June 30 but that is good to know if we can negotiate a little more.  

     


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