How do shared phones now work in 7.95

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We've not yet gone up to 7.95 where the phone numbers are now 'pulled out' of the address types -- but I have some questions.
  • If someone is employed/linked to an organization, is there still sharing of the organization's main phone number and website over onto the constituent's phone grid?
  • If they no longer are employed, does this shared information on the phone grid automatically come off when you change their employment relationship?
  • Or do you now need to manually add and remove all phones and websites related to the organization?
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  • Hi, Gina. We're on 7.95, and in our system it looks like everything is manual entry. When I link a new Contact to an Organization, or when I link an Org as the Business Relationship on an Individual record, no change occurs in phone numbers or emails for either the Individual or the Org. Address pulls over into the New Relationship/Contact record, but not the Phones/Emails.
  • Thanks for the info -- so is there really essentially no longer any sharing of phone information (spouse to spouse, indiv to indiv or org to indiv)??
  • In our database, that seems to be how it is working with new relationships. (Numbers that were previously linked, prior to the upgrade, seem to have carried over.) When I create a new Spouse relationship for Ms. Jane Doe, her address copies over into the spouse record, but the phones and emails section remains blank -- just as with the org relationships. (Tested it just now to be sure I was telling you correctly.) I haven't tested this with every single relationship record type, but at least with spouses and Orgs/Contacts it seems consistent.


    I think there are pros and cons, either way. It is more data entry to enter it in separately. But it also reflects our shifting technology as spouses more and more have individual cellphones and email addresses. And, I have fallen in love with the new Comments section and "Date Changed" section on the Phones tab!
  • I believe (would need to find time to go test this thoroughly) that if you add a phone number to the Primary Business, it will only appear on the Relationship Record, not the Bio1 Tab of the Individual.  No more phone sharing.  Which for us is good, because phone sharing was causing someone's mobile number to appear on spouse records when it shouldn't be.  I think that's also part of the thinking here, that phone numbers are more mobile now, and more tied to just one person rather than a household.  Pros and cons.


    We were already storing Primary Business Phones on the Bio1 Tab regardless of what Address was marked as Preferred (and Home/Personal Phones if the Business Address was Preferred) because our fundraising staff wanted to see all related phones in one place.  So this helps with that, and the comment field helps in noting which org the number applies to (but there is still a Phone Grid on Relationship Records, if you prefer to use that).


    I wish instead of Tabs in the Phones Grid it had just become sortable.  And I don't care for the Primary and Inactive checkboxes, either, because they're near-impossible to use in Query.
  • I looked up the New Features User Guide for Phones on 7.95. (To make sure that my experience isn't being limited by some User setting I haven't located yet.) I tried to copy-paste it here, but the formatting was unreadable.
  • I totally get this as far as sharing phones and emails between spouses and individual relationships, but not so much for organization relationships to individuals.
    • So now, it sounds like it's not a good practice to try to put the organization's general website on individual contact's full records?
    • If that website ever changed you'd have to MANUALLY change it across all the contact records?
     
  • Gina Gerhard:

    I totally get this as far as sharing phones and emails between spouses and individual relationships, but not so much for organization relationships to individuals.

    • So now, it sounds like it's not a good practice to try to put the organization's general website on individual contact's full records?
    • If that website ever changed you'd have to MANUALLY change it across all the contact records?
     

     

    Just checked (although I didn't actually test it) and you can use Global Change > Constituent > Biographical > Phone Number > Operation: Replace (or Partial Replace) > ___ with ___ and update all instances of one value with another.  If, for whatever reason, you need to only change some instances, you can select a Query to base the GC on.  Not quite as easy as shared phones, but doable.

  • Jen - 


    So if you have a constituent that may have one (or more) business phones on their record, and then they leave their employment -- how do you know which business phones were related to that specific employment (so you can them make them former) ??

     
  • You could use the Phone Comments section to indicate what employer it was connected to. You can Query on the Comments field, in case there are a large number of related contacts that would need changed through Jen's Global Change method.
  • Thanks everyone for these tips.  Looks like there will be a loss of that linking functionality that worked quite well actually for organizations and employees.  


    Probably we'll end up no longer pulling this organizational information over to the employee's constituent records, so staff will have to actually go over and open up the organization record to get the contact information for the organization itself (main phone, main fax, website).
  • It's nice to know I'm not the only one who hasn't updated yet!  And thanks for the topic, I'm just starting to look into what I need to do before the upgrade and this was really helpful.


    Katherine
  • Jen, would you be able to elaborate on the difficulties of querying on Inactive and Primary please? In 7.93 I often use "Do Not Contact equals No" when querying for people who have at least one valid phone/email, and was hoping I'd be able to use the new fields in the same way.
  • Alan,


    If you've been using DNC, you should be able to use Primary and Inactive in the same manner.  The struggles I've had are because those 3 fields aren't tied to each Phone Type in Query.  As you can see in the screen shot below, in Query, Phones are now separate from Addresses and only the Number and Comment Fields are available under Specific Phones.  So looking for Constituents with a Cell Number that is marked Inactive is next to impossible, as the Query will pull Constituents who have a Cell Number and any Phone Number that is marked Inactive.  In your example, it would work, though.  It's like a one-way street, and I've found that I'm usually wanting to travel in the wrong direction.  =)

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  • I asked Blackbaud about the phone number issue with individual relationship (and the individual is also a constituent) when talking about a relationship with a constituent organization .  Their recommendation was to create a duplicate non-constituent record for the individual to house their contact information to the organization.  This is not my favorite recommendation because it is hard enough to stay ahead of duplicate records in the system.  Our current thought is that we would create special phone types that would live only on the individual's relationship record to the organization (for example, all phone types for relationship numbers would begin with "Rel").  We would duplicate this phone number manually on their constituent record if we knew it was a direct or cell  number for them (this time we would classify it as Cell or Business).  This means that phone numbers could be duplicated when looking at the individual's relationship on the company's constituent record (because you would see the source phone numbers and the relationship specific phone numbers).  We have not put this into practice as we are still in 7.93 and hope to complete migration by Qtr 1 2017.  Our hope is by tracking phone numbers this way that we could still pull directories for organizational contacts and grab their relationship phone numbers. 

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